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The recruiter call: going deeper

  • 12 min
  • 5 stops

A screening call, annotated

An invented call on Monday 5 October 2026: the candidate Arjun, the company Kestrel Payments and the role PAY-114 are made up, and so is every number. The right-hand column is what the recruiter types onto the form; each entry in the middle column is a decision, not a script.

INVENTED example 2 min
Recruiter saysArjun's moveWhat goes on the form
"Tell me about yourself."Current scope, one result with a number, why this role; about fifty seconds6.5 yrs; owns order routing; cut p99 latency by half; wants a larger system
"What is your current CTC?"Fixed, target variable, last payout, no stock; payslips at offer stage18 lakh fixed plus 1.8 variable (paid about 80%); CTC 20.87 per letter; no stock
"What are you expecting?"Asks the level and band first; recruiter says SDE-2, 24 to 32 fixed; he names the middle of itExpects 27 to 29 lakh fixed at SDE-2; band 24 to 32
"That is a big jump from 18."Agrees it is, as a percentage; says it is inside their band and his evidence is SDE-2 evidenceAsk is mid-band; reasons from level, not payslip
"This opening's budget is up to 24."Asks if 24 is the band top or this opening's; states his floor of 25 once; asks to run the manager round with pay openFloor 25 fixed; budget 24; proceed, pay open
"What is your notice period?""My letter says 90 days. I haven't asked my employer about early release; I'll do that once I hold a written offer. Is your joining date fixed?"90 days per letter; no release agreed; date to be confirmed
"It's 30 days. We prefer immediate joiners."Asks cut-off or preference; gives the earliest date from his policy, about 30 days after a written offer with a buyout of about 3 lakh; asks about a grossed-up reimbursement (question 4)Policy allows 60-day buyout (not yet requested); 30 is a preference; manager's mid-Dec date reachable
"Can you relocate?""I'm in Bengaluru and would stay here. Three office days a week is fine."Bengaluru; hybrid OK; not relocating
"Any other processes?"One final round elsewhere, decision in about two weeks; suggests moving the manager round1 other final round; decision about 2 weeks
"Why are you looking?""My team is moving to maintenance; I want a system that is still growing."Wants to own a growing system
"Which level?"Asks what SDE-2 owns at Kestrel; his evidence is SDE-2 evidence, so he does not ask for the SDE-3 loopSDE-2 fits; asked what the level owns here
"Rate yourself on Java and Kafka?"Years from the resume; 8 and 7 with a stated scale, one system each, one limitJava 6.5 yrs, 8/10 (GC tuning); Kafka 2 yrs, 7/10, not brokers
"Why Kestrel?"The posting's multi-region routing plan; his one-region order routingKnows multi-region plan; has run routing

Gave up / revisit when / signal (Arjun). Gave up: a reason to push for SDE-3 now, because his page shows 6.5 years and no cross-team system. Revisit when: he owns a design that three teams depend on, which is Meera's position below. Signal: every entry on the form is a date, a range or a fact. Cost. Asking the level first costs one sentence; accepting an SDE-2 band without asking can cost a year at the lower pay. Stating a floor of 25 against a budget of 24 risks the process stalling now; hiding it risks a full loop that ends in an offer he will not take.

Read the right-hand column as the hiring manager will, in a minute. It shows a candidate with a date, a range, a reason and one open question. Nothing in it can be contradicted by a document.

Next stop: A senior call, annotated, 3 min

A senior call, annotated

An invented call: the candidate Meera, ten years in, the company Kestrel Payments and the role PAY-231 are made up, and so is every number. This time the middle column is what she says and the right-hand column is the signal the recruiter writes for the hiring manager. The follow-ups are the ones a senior call draws and a mid-level call usually does not.

INVENTED example ยท senior call 2 min
Recruiter saysMeera saysSignal on the form
"Walk me through your background.""Ten years. For the last three I have led the ledger and settlement platform at a payments company: four engineers on it, three teams depend on it. The result I am proudest of is a migration of 22 million postings a day with no customer-visible break. I want the same kind of ownership at larger scale."10 yrs; leads a platform others depend on; one scale number; fits SDE-3
"Your second job was only 14 months. What happened?""I joined to build the catalogue service. In month nine the company announced it would shut that product line. I documented the service and handed it over before the line shut, then left in month 14, with a reference from my manager. Since then I have stayed in one place for six years."Stint explained by an event, not a pattern; reference exists
"What is your current compensation?""Fixed is 42 lakh. Variable target is 6 lakh, paid at 90 per cent last cycle. I hold RSUs: 60 lakh granted at grant value, 35 lakh vested, the rest vesting over 18 months. I would like to compare fixed with fixed and total with total. What is the band for this level?"Three lines, not one number; asked for the band
"We cannot match stock at that size. Our band is mostly cash.""Then I would compare four-year totals. Is there a sign-on to cover the stock I forfeit, and what is the usual refresh at this level?"Thinks in four-year terms; asks two precise questions
"This role is SDE-2 on our ladder. Is that a problem?""My last two years were a system across three teams, and I hired three engineers; two have since been promoted a level. That reads as SDE-3 to me. Can the loop assess above SDE-2, with the hiring manager deciding after the first round?"Asked for the higher loop; gave two facts, not an adjective
"The loop is the same. The level is decided afterwards.""That works if the offer letter states the level. If it comes back SDE-2, I would like a review date in writing."Wants the level on paper, not a promise
"What is your notice period?""My letter says 90 days. I will ask about early release once I hold a written offer. I am already planning a handover."90 days; no release yet; credible
"If your manager counters, would you stay?""I decided before this call: I am leaving for scope, not for money, so a raise does not change the reason. I will tell you by the date we agree."Low counter-offer risk
"What else are you running?""One final round at a company I will not name yet, decision in about two weeks. Yours is my first choice if the level fits."Real stage and date; no invented offer

Gave up / revisit when / signal (Meera). Gave up: naming the other company, and any stock-for-stock match. Revisit when: the offer arrives at SDE-2 without a written review date, which reopens the level question before she resigns. Signal: no figure she gave can be contradicted by a payslip or a vesting statement.

Four things in this call separate it from Arjun's. The stint question is met with an event and a reference. The pay answer carries stock as granted, vested and still to vest. The level is asked for with evidence, and the answer is a written level, not a hope. The counter-offer question gets its answer before it is asked. None of the four has a source: all are the author's reading of how the form is read, and lesson 2 labels its stint advice the same way.

Next stop: Drill, rubric and pitfalls, 4 min

Drill, rubric and pitfalls

The drill. Say your answers out loud to the twenty-four questions below, two minutes each (three for the walk-through), with a timer, using your own papers on the desk. Record yourself once. Then score each answer against the rubric, and re-do any answer with an empty box. The card below runs the drill with an AI as the recruiter.

Table: Question, The answer must include, Box (24 rows)
QuestionThe answer must includeBox
Background pitch (the opener)Current scope, one result with a number, why this role; under a minute; the same words as your resume
Current CTCComponents, not one blended figure; a statement that you will document it
Expected payLevel or band asked first; a range for fixed pay
NoticeWhat the letter says; what is checked and not checked; a question about the joining date
Other processesReal stage and date; no invented offer
LocationYour real limit in one sentence; their office expectation
Why changeOne forward-looking fact; nothing bitter
LevelWhat the level owns here, asked before any number; two facts of scope if you ask for the level above
Process and timelineRounds and their order, time to a decision, the latest joining date they can hold; buyout help asked
Rate yourselfYears from your resume; a number on a stated scale, one named system, one limit
Why usOne checked fact about the company; one fact about you that meets it; nothing about pay
"Joining is fixed at 30 days"Cut-off or preference asked; the earliest date after an offer and its buyout cost, only if read from your policy; no resignation promised
IC or manager trackThe track you want; a headcount you can name; which track the role is on
"Share your offer letter"Figures in writing now; the letter at the offer stage, masked, if its terms allow
"Applied before?"Role, date and round said first; one change since; the cool-off asked
Contract-to-hireWhose payroll, how long, conversion terms in writing, who covers PF, insurance and leave
Hands-on share (mostly SDE-3)A percentage; one thing you built yourself this quarter; what fills the rest
First round and preparation timeA date, not "whenever"; the loop time you need, tied to a real reason; the format asked
A challenging situationOne situation, one action that was yours, one result with a number; under a minute
Last rating, no promotionThe real rating and its scale; the promotion rule in one fact; nothing about your manager
Stack mismatchThe gap said first; what carries over; no side project rounded up to years; the coding round's language asked
Long tenure, why nowHow the scope changed inside it, in dates that match the resume; one forward-looking reason
"Walk me through [your main system]" (manager's screen)Three minutes: the problem, the one design decision and what it rejected, the scale, the risk and how it was gated, one result with a number, your people
Disagreement; unclear brief (manager's screen)Two sentences each: one situation, what you did, a measure or a trade you gave; nothing about rank

Pitfalls.

  • One blended number. "18 lakh" cannot be compared with another company's "18 lakh". Give components.
  • A portal field that disagrees with your letter. The first check on the call is usually this match. Fix the portal first.
  • "Negotiable" notice. It tells the manager nothing, and it may be untrue. State the letter, then what you have and have not asked.
  • Promising 30 days to meet a fixed date. Ask whether it is a cut-off first, then give the earliest date your policy allows. Resigning to meet a filter is a decision for home, with its costs (question 4).
  • Naming a percentage hike. It ties the offer to your current pay. Name a range for the level.
  • Taking a budget or a hike cap at face value. A cap on the hike and a cap on the band have different fixes. Ask which it is, then state your floor once.
  • A bare 9. A rating with no scale and no limit invites the interviewer to find the gap. Give the scale, one system and one limit.
  • An invented offer. It is dishonest, and a false claim may surface later. Describe your real stage and date.
  • Promising a relieving letter or an exact last day you do not control. Say "expected" and name the date.
  • Signing a consent you have not read. It should name the checks and the vendor.
  • Treating a reported law as certain. Everything legal in this lesson is a pointer to a question for HR or a lawyer.

Next stop: The call on one page, 2 min

The call on one page

Copy this onto one sheet the night before. Every line points back to a section above; nothing in it is new, and every sentence in the right-hand column is the author's construct from this lesson, untested.

Five numbers on the desk.

  1. Current fixed pay, variable target and last payout, from the payslips and the letter that set your CTC.
  2. The CTC on that letter, exactly as you typed it on every portal (briefing 2).
  3. Your ask, as a range inside the level's band, and your private floor.
  4. Notice per the letter, the earliest date you could join if a release or buyout is agreed, and the buyout's cost under your policy.
  5. Years in each main skill, counted from your resume's dates.

Three questions you ask. "Which level is this, and what is the band?" "What are the rounds, the time to a decision, and the latest joining date you can hold?" "Has the company helped candidates with a buyout before?"

Table: If the recruiter says, One sentence back (10 rows)
If the recruiter saysOne sentence back
"Just give me one number.""Fixed is 18; with variable at target it is 19.8; the letter's CTC is 20.87. I'll send the split in writing."
"Our budget is 24.""Is that the top of the band, or this opening's budget?" Then the floor, once.
"We only do 30 per cent on current.""Is the cap on the hike or on the band? I'd rather be placed on the band."
"I can't submit you without your current CTC."The letter's figure, with the split in the notes; never 0 or a guess.
"Can you join in 30 days?""My letter says 90; I'll ask for early release once I hold a written offer."
"Joining is fixed at 30; immediate joiners first.""Is 30 a cut-off or a preference? My policy allows a 60-day buyout; the earliest is about 30 days after a written offer. Would you reimburse it, grossed up?"
"This role is SDE-2."Two facts of scope, then "Can the loop assess SDE-3?"
"Rate yourself on Java."Years, then a number on a stated scale, one system, one limit.
"Why us?"One checked fact about them, one fact about you that meets it.
"Would you stay for a counter?"The reason you started looking, decided before the call.

Next stop: Six more questions: hands-on, Go, and four others, 1 min

Six more questions: hands-on, Go, and four others

Scripts are the author's constructs, untested.

  • How hands-on are you? Meera: "About 40 per cent coding in a normal month. Last quarter I rewrote the reconciliation matching job myself, and I review every change to the posting path." One named thing you built this quarter.
  • This role is in Go. "Six and a half years of Java, in Go one internal tool. Service design, Kafka and concurrency carry over; I would plan a month before my Go passes review unaided. Can I take the coding round in Java?"
  • Why were you not promoted? "'Exceeds' last cycle. SDE-3 at my company needs a design other teams depend on, and my team has been in maintenance this year." Fact, then what changed; nothing about the manager.

Use it in step 4: The recruiter call